Dark Journalist Roswell Reignited II: UFO File Secret Witness

Dr. Joseph Farrell: Roswell Mystery: New UFO Evidence Part II
Dark Journalist Roswell Reignited II: UFO File Secret Witness
Please comment on an intrigue based on your own work in the area
relating to the Kennedy Assassination, the weapons used, the Roswell
incident, and the general idea of space weapons. Gene Boone said in his
first affidavit that the gun was a 7.65 Mauser. Roger Craig and Seymour
Weitzman also report the 7.65 Mauser. One of them runs a gun store, I
think it is Weitzman so he would know. Boone left the police department
to run a Foster Children’s Home in Texas for the same Fosters that own
the Roswell Ranch. Boone becomes the CEO of the Foster Home. After the
Roswell crash Mac Brazel, a ranch hand who runs the ranch calls the
Fosters and tells them they have problems.They come up and get are told
by the investigators, “We want the ranch. We need it all. Sell it to us
because of this incident.” Originally they said no but they are
eventually bought off by mineral rights and it is also said a gold mine,
and they become very well off. They never talked about the incident but
later their grandchildren commented about how the incident had
transformed the grandparents.


There is a book that this Major Vincent put out who is anAir Force Major
and wrote about going into Dallas and he was getting a transport back to
Colorado Springs and he worked at NORAD. He gets on a C-54 that has a
strange egg logo. While he is on the plane someone gets on the plane who
looks exactly like Oswald along with a tall Cuban. So the major gets on
and he came from Andrews and was heading to Colorado Springs and what
happens is when he gets on at Andrews, it is this weird plane with the
egg logo and it is taking him from Andrews to Colorado Springs, but at
about 12:29 a voiceover comes up and says we are diverting. The
president has just been shot, so they turn the plane around and it lands
near Trinity River. When they land he is the only person on the plane
except the pilot and copilot and they don’t say anything to him when
they get off. So the plane lands and two people get on and one of them
is in construction overalls and the other one is similarly dressed. One
is a tall Cuban and the other one according to him is Lee Harvey Oswald.
He is confused by the situation and when they get on they don’t say
anything to him but go to the cockpit, and the plane goes into the air
and he wonders where are we going? When the plane lands they run out,
the Oswald double and the Cuban and the pilots, and he is sitting on the
plane alone. So he gets out and finds an MP and asks about the location
and is told he is in Roswell Air Force Base. He says I’m supposed to go
to Colorado Springs and the MP said you are not going anywhere. All
bases have been locked down because of the assassination. So you will
just have to hang out, and so he does. Eventually he gets a bus to go to
another location and the bus takes him on to Colorado Springs. That is
his story and he kept it for years and years. He tried to give it to the
assassination review board.


JF: They wouldn’t take it?


DJ: They would not take it because of the Roswell mention. So here is a
double. Here is a Roswell connection after the assassination, and there
is Boone in the middle of all this finding the rifle and he works for
the Foster Ranch people.


JF: You don’t make up a story like this.


DJ: No. It is extraordinary. I have put my take about Roswell but I know
what you have about Roswell and the Reich. If you combine all these
circumstances, what are you getting out of those peculiar connections?


JF:Number one, they are taking such pains to buy the Foster Ranch and
essentially silence them. What that tells me, that area of New Mexico is
a whole lot of nothing, so to go to those lengths tells me that one of
the things that possibly indicates is that the crash site itself is very
large not the little contained thing most people think of. Number two,
the other thing that it tells me is that there is something extremely
odd about it… maybe they did find strange bodies, who knows. I am not a
believer in the body narrative for various reasons not the least of
which is they can’t get the story to come down to an agreed dataset.
Whatever it was that they are finding or was found there, they are
worried that something else might still be there. The part of the thing
that mystifies me is if you have got a soldier working at NORAD who is
on a flight from DC to Colorado Springs, they divert to Dallas, they
pick up a Lee Harvey Oswald double and then fly on to Roswell… what that
is suggesting to me is somehow that base and the whole story connected
with it is part of this whole Kennedy assassination story in some
fashion that has never been adequately disclosed or investigated. It
kind of goes to the basic thesis in Roswell and the Reich, that it had
something to do with advanced space or aeronautic technology. And it may
have had something to do with nuclear weapons as well since that was a
nuclear weapons base. But that’s very bizarre and weird. Of all the
weirdness around Roswell and Kennedy that is just plain weird.


DJ: It is interesting because it is kind of a weird addendum to the
whole thing. Vincent goes on…


JF: No hang on just a minute. I wouldn’t qualify it as an addendum. I
think it is a central issue. It is an indicator that there is much more
here than meets the eye and these are little tidbits. It is not an
appendix. It’s a major chapter of the story. What is interesting also
about it is that if this is appearing in books that appeared in ’70 or
’80. You showed it earlier. My question is why didn’t the so-called big
names of Roswell Research, Stanton Friedman and Kevin Randall and people
like that.


DJ: Oh yeah the whole group.


JF: Why did they miss it?


DJ: Yes it is left out of all the Roswell literature and it is not
celebrated in the JFK literature.


JF: I didn’t know anything about it and again I have never encountered
this story in either the Roswell connection or the JFK connection. So my
question is why was it missed? Back at that time you would have had
various analog guides that could have summarized literature on these
things. So why was it missed? Was it not catalogued? Was it not entered
into reader’s guide of periodical literature? Did no one ever review it?
That raises a lot of questions.


DJ: It’s pushed out of the literature on both sides. And it is not
accepted by the official body of the ARRB (Assassination Records Review
Board). They don’t want it. Even with the guy’s impeccable background,
and he went on to be recruited by the Central Intelligence Agency to
work at Area 51.


JF: You are on to something here, there’s no doubt in my mind. I have
been around research of this sort long enough to know when you are onto
something and when you are not and you are definitely onto something.


DJ: The Foster Ranch, that whole connection is so unusual…

JF: Yeah, the don’t just come in and buy a whole ranch, a lot of
nothing. My guess is that they probably ran more post-Roswell incident
cleaning missions. They sent other teams back in after all the attention
had died down to find any other debris that might have been left by
those initial debris cleaning missions.


DJ: An intrepid little Roswell researcher found out about the ranch,
that the status of the ranch in 1948 got changed to a toxic level where
you couldn’t raise animals on it, and you couldn’t raise different types
of crops on it because of the toxic identification that it has.


JF: In ’48?


DJ: In ’48 a year later.


JF: But they don’t specify what the toxicity was?


DJ: No. But it’s that same level that you would get, if a toxic spill
had happened. Something major had occurred there. So the people who
would own it in perpetuity and it switched around in quite a few hands,
oddly all those people couldn’t grow plants on it, couldn’t grow crops
on it and could not herd sheep.


JF: Well that area of New Mexico is not known for a lot of crop growing.
It is at best scrub. So what they are really saying is don’t let any of
your animals eat any of these plants, and don’t eat any of your animals
that do eat these plants. So in other words they are buying the ranch
because it’s a toxic spill. So that means whatever caused the toxic
spill was caused by the crash.


DJ: Exactly.


JF: And something found in it. And off the top of my head I can think of
lots of stuff that might be found in Nazi technology that you wouldn’t
want your animals eating. Things like thorium oxide, mercury, probably
not the best thing to ingest.


DJ: Highly toxic.


JF: Very. And you would not want animals exposed to it. That whole thing
gives an exotic technology twist to the whole thing, another little bit
of loose confirmation.


DJ: We always knew because of the character Marcel that it was not a
mistake on his part. That cover story is as bad as the lone gunman cover
story. That’s one, but then two… we also knew from all the strange
things he described that it was something major and he was familiar with
all different types of aircraft and had been a pilot since 1928, so he
would have been familiar with it and he was also not only in charge of
intelligence for the base, but security. So we are in a whole different
ballgame with Marcel when he comes upon it and his original
description.And of course they make him give the phony explanation of a
weather balloon at the news conference and he has to button his lip. And
the story hangs out for 32 years in complete silence.


JF: Well the story never made sense to me. In the photographs of General
Ramey and Jesse Marcel with the so-called debris there is a little
folded up scrap of paper, the Telegram. Have you heard about that?
Someone blew it up and deciphered that.


DJ: And talks about a crash.


JF: And blew all that weather balloon nonsense. What the Army Air Force
was asking us to believe was was that they had an intelligence officer
and chief of security at the country’s only nuclear air base. That was a
complete ninny. That weather balloon just doesn’t… that dog doesn’t hunt.


DJ: And they still use weather balloons as the most ridiculous excuse.
It is like a fallback position for a psyop.


JF: Now the latest thing of the balloon thing was the Mogul balloon.


DJ: Yeah that nonsense about Project Mogul… oh it was an experimental
balloon and we had these crash test dummies that we would drop, you know.


JF: After all their explanations I would sooner believe the dead lizards
with beaded skin version of the incident than the military explanations
of it because they just make no sense. The more you think about what
they are trying to fob off on the public the more you realize that.


DJ: One thing that Marcel said at the end of his life either supports
your position on Roswell and the Reich about it being Nazi technology
and it may very well or something else. So a college student goes over
there and records three hours of his conversation.


JF: Who is this girl?


DJ: She was a college student named Linda Corley and I just went through
her entire transcript.


JF: She is recording an interview with Jesse Marcel?


DJ: Yes. Actual Jesse Marcel. I’ve heard the tape and I have the
transcript. This is one of those things that got lost in the shuffle. So
she is having him describe what the hieroglyphs actually look like. The
more he describes them the more they look like odd almost geometric
shapes, more so than hieroglyphs. She is doing this project with him and
he is being very nice and at the end of the conversation she says are
there things that you have kept beyond what you have told? And he said
of course. I swore an oath of secrecy to my country. I could never let
those things out. So that is where we end up with Jesse Marcel… yes i
can tell you about the crash, yes I can tell you about the hieroglyphs,
memory metal, and all the rest of it, but I can’t tell you about the
other thing, and it sounds like he knew what the other thing was. So
here is the odd thing. After she gathers up her information she goes
back home and she makes a call to him and says those images are
interesting. I almost think it is like some kind of Roman language, and
then he calls her up and says forget everything I said. Don’t share it
with the public. I don’t want you to put any of that on the record.
Forget all about it and move on with your life, and he never spoke to
her again. He died shortly after that but what do you make of that?


JF: Well it sounds to me he either had profound second thoughts about
making the descriptions of the hieroglyphs when he did the interview or
he was literally threatened and told to warn her not to release it.


DJ: Yes, maybe they were tapping his apartment.


JF: I would not be a bit surprised. The hieroglyphs part of the story.
and I have this in the Roswell and the Reich book, he actually underwent
a hypnotic regression session at some point.


DJ: His son did.


JF: His son did yeah.


DJ: Marcel Junior.


JF: Marcel Junior was asked to draw what he had seen on those so-called
eye beams in terms of the hieroglyphics. He drew a bunch of things under
hypnosis that looked very geometric in character, not hieroglyphs but
geometric things. What struck me when I looked at his drawing was that
some of these things he drew looked like quantum states of the hydrogen
atom and I put pictures of these quantum states of the hydrogen atom so
that you can compare what he’s drawing with these quantum states, which
is a possibility. It is an interesting speculation. The details of the
whole Roswell story are what has always inclined me that you are really
looking at some sort of exotic technology. That is what they are really
trying to keep hushed up for whatever reason. The other thing
interesting about the hieroglyph story is that in “Saucers, Swastikas
and Psyops” I also point out that some of these early UFO stories where
people were contacted by visitors, the visitors are always Nordic. There
is a famous case of a UFO contact story that occurred in 1954 or 1955,
outside of Kearney, Nebraska which is on the Platte River. This
individual, I think his name was Schmidt, who was typical Upper Plains
German. I grew up in South Dakota so i know these people. They speak
German. Anyway in Kearney this man was contacted and allegedly taken up
in this ship where they were speaking German, which is a weird UFO
story. The thing that convinces me that there had to have been some sort
of kernel of truth in it is that he elaborated and went on to say the
FBI and the Air Force had sent these people out to Kearney from Omaha,
SAC base there at Omaha to interview him. They got there within a
timeframe that indicates they were expecting something to happen. So
there is something there. I have to wonder about these stories about
hieroglyphs and people hearing languages and so on. I don’t doubt them.
i just wish that there was more to go on.


DJ: Interesting. We have hieroglyphs in the Kecksburg case.


JF: We have hieroglyphs in the Kecksburg case, yes.


DJ: The Betty and Barney Hill story includes a Nazi uniform. One of the
people appears to Barney to be wearing a Nazi uniform.


JF: A Nazi uniform and again that is a very strange thing to notice,
much less to say.


DJ: Yes it is all on his hypnosis tape.


JF: Yes, on his hypnosis tape and It is a very strange thing to say so
there has always been an aspect of ufology that wants to ignore those
stories and I find it very disconcerting. If you are going to accept
other contactee and abduction cases you have got to look at these and
those details. It is just more proof that whenever you are talking about
the phenomenon of the UFO you are not dealing with one phenomenon. You
are dealing with a whole continuum of different discreet types of
phenomena and they are all equally baffling. Who knows where this is
going to end up. What you are uncovering with this Foster Ranch business
and the pilot and the Oswald double, that is not an appendix. That is
somehow a central part of the story that no one has noticed before in my
opinion.


DJ: As soon as Boone came up connected with Roswell I said it can’t be
right, but it is absolutely right. He was the CEO. And another
interesting thing is guess what was reported to happen while Boone was
CEO there.


JF: What?


DJ: Two of the girls who lived in the Foster Homes experienced an alien
abduction.


JF: Oh I can believe that. I was about to say the fact that he is
connected with children’s homes is in my mind very much a part of the
story and very suspicious. It suggests to me that there is an aspect of
human experimentation going on with that end of the story that dovetails
perfectly with the other end of the story, which I talk about in the LBJ
book with d and the cancer clinic that he was running in New Orleans.
Dr. Mary Sherman and the fact that Dr. Ochsner, fellow South Dakotan,
would often go down to Latin America to treat his famous cancer patients
down there, one of whom was Juan Perone. The other thing that I highly
suspect is he had something to do with all that secret cancer research
and may have been in contact with Mengele in Brazil.


DJ: Oh, right.


JF: There’s your human children part of the operation because you’ve got
all those strange twins in Brazil in these Indian tribes out in the
middle of nowhere.


DJ: Those cases are unbelievable. That is Mengele at work.


JF: Mengele at work, absolutely. So there is perhaps some tie in there
with what is going on in New Orleans with Dr. Sherman and Dr. Ochsner,
and with the Foster Ranch children. To be honest with you, this gives me
the creeps because this is something major.


DJ: Well it is opening the transhumanism aspect and then there is this
ET overlay piece. There is a UFO file overlay, but we don’t know if that
is somebody manipulating the picture.


JF: Well you have even got Nick Redfern’s book, “Body Snatchers in the
Desert,” I think it is. Strange little book, but it is very interesting
because he maintains that his contacts were telling him about all these
bodies, including the Roswell Crash that were children that were
afflicted with Progeria disease.


DJ: Oh.


JF: The rapid aging disease, which again is a strange thing to run
across in connection with Roswell, but again it ties in with this theme
of children. What were they doing out there?


DJ: Wow! Incredible.


JF: And let’s not forget another grizzly aspect of that was Japanese
Unit 731 on the other side of World War II. They were experimenting with
Progeria.


DJ: Giving Mengele a run for his money.


JF: Yeah the Japanese were certainly giving Menegle a run for his money.


DJ: We don’t hear much about that.


JF: No we don’t. In fact I am only aware of one major book on Unit 731.
I have a copy of it but it is one of those books you have to read just
little bits at a time because it is really monstrous.


DJ: When I think about something that you told me in relation to the
Kennedy assassination is that Ruby you felt was one of the most
interesting characters of all.


JF: Yes.


DJ: And it is interesting to note that Boone, before he is the
24-year-old guy finding the gun in the School Book Depository, he is an
ad executive two years earlier, and his client that he hangs out with
and parties with everywhere is Jack Ruby.


JF: Oh you are kidding. He is an ad executive at the age of 22 in Dallas?


DJ: Yeah, give me that one. This guy gets placed everywhere.


JF: Yeah I was about to say I call that a legend not talent.


DJ: The minute I saw that I said you were right again because here’s
Ruby hanging out with this guy who is associated with this whole thing.
And you know that whole crisscross, the shadowy world that Ruby is in
plays nicely into somebody like Boone. They knew where to place Ruby.
They knew where to place Boone.


JF: Ruby has so many connections, from Richard Nixon to Peter Dale Scott
uncovered. There wasn’t anybody in the world that Ruby didn’t seem to
know or have something to do with. The idea of him offing Oswald because
he felt sorry for Mrs. Kennedy and wanted to be a patriotic American, I
mean come on. What bothers me more than anything else Daniel is here we
are. It is 2025. It is 60 plus years since the assassination and you
still have the occasional bow to the Warren Report on the part of people
in government. And no one, I can’t think of anybody that I have met in
my life that believes that. So they are maintaining this fiction to this
day. And, the question has to be why? Why are they maintaining it to
this day? They have tried to do that with the assassination of Lincoln
and they are not able to get away with it because that is in tatters.
But for Kennedy, for some reason it is still in the play and I have to
conclude that it is for two reasons. Above all, it was his system of
finance. And it was the black projects and technology.


DJ: And the UFO file.


JF: Well which would be the UFO file included in that. So yeah that is
the reason for it, which really raises the question of why is the
playbook so similar to Abraham Lincoln? Same motivation. Same types of
people. Same system of finance. This is a long-term game that we are
looking at. I can’t come to any other conclusion.


DJ: Well you can almost lay that grid, what you do in the book of
Abraham Lincoln over the Kennedy assassination, and it plays out. It is
interesting what you said about peace because Kennedy thought as a step
to peace I’ll share the black projects. I’ll share the UFO file. I’m
going there with the Soviets. And they looked at him and said, wow!


JF: There is another aspect of this about Russia too that will come out
in the second book. If you stop and think about it this is what I find
so frustrating. This Russophobia and hatred of Russia has been going on
in the West since the end of the Napoleonic Wars, since 1815.


DJ: Wow. Yeah.


JF: And if you stop and think about it the United States, if you think
about America’s geopolitical and national interests, there is very
little of it that is in conflict with Russia. Even during the height of
the Soviet era there is very little that is in actual open conflict with
each other. So why the hostility? Why are we trying to stir up the pot
in the Ukraine because of Russia? What are we afraid of? They are not
stirring up the pot with us.


DJ: Right, exactly. I mean you get the Berlin Wall versus bombing their
bombers. On those actions the incredible escalation that we have seen
and the action against Russia. It is incredibly unhealthy as a political
approach with a nuclear armed nation in any case, not to mention all the
other factors, but there is a kind of process going on there it seems
like where a group deep inside the intelligence faction feels like they
can really move in and they can sort of call foreign policy regardless
of who is president, whether it is Biden the puppet or Trump who is off
on his own trip.


JF: It bothers me because if Trump knew nothing about it that is very
worrying. The other problem is that what it’s saying is that Lindsey
Graham is over there in Kiev talking to his pal Zelensky as a day away
from this operation taking place and he doesn’t have one visit to the
hurricane victims in the Carolinas.


DJ: He is a warmonger extraordinaire.


JF: He is a warmonger. That is all he knows, his hatred of Russia, and
he is pals with a neo-Nazi or whatever he is who is running the Ukraine.
So I don’t get it. But the other thing is if Trump did know and is
lying, what does that say? Either way you slice what just happened in
the Ukraine, it is bad.


DJ: Incredible.


JF: What bothers me Daniel is Trump has his strengths, but history and
culture and foreign policy are not one of them. So we’re essentially in
this national security situation where he is getting all of his Golden
Dome stuff lined up.


DJ: Yeah.


JF: But he’s doing so in a way that bothers me and that he is doing it
in a geopolitical historical vacuum. He has not given us any indication
of the geopolitical calculation that has gone into his thinking behind
this thing, and its effect on our allies, an its effect on our
competitors. We have some pretty stiff competition out there now that we
didn’t have when he was growing up and formulating his views.


DJ: No question.


JF: India, China, Japan, these are all major space powers and of the
three of them, India is to me the most interesting because they can
launch enormous amounts of satellites which they’ve proven they can do
and do quickly. Which, if you stop and think about the management and
administrative feat alone that it required them to do that a couple of
years back. That is enormous.


DJ: Oh yeah.


JF: So we’re doing this Golden Dome and we’re doing all of this
technology stuff but we’re not being told what are the geopolitical
risks and calculations that you’ve made in reaching your decision.
That’s what, more than anything else, that’s what bothers me about this.


DJ: The danger is weaponizing space.


JF: Well I think space is already weaponized and everybody knows it. But
it’s one thing to weaponize space and then to come out and proclaim that
you’re gonna escalate it. That gives me pause.


DJ: Oh no question. Yeah, It’s a dangerous project. What I’m curious
about is the hidden reason for putting it on a fast track, and it seems
to me it is the Star Wars 2 SDI reason which was never clear in the
first place.


JF: Which was never clear in the first place. You know there is the
Colonel Corso version of Star Wars that the real intention was UFO
related and I suspect that’s the case here. I’m in the Catherine Fitts
Camp here. She and I have suspected for a long time and also Richard
Hoagland has for years given his own variation of the same idea, that
they know something and they’re in a rush and they are not telling the
rest of us. Elon Musk is in a hurry to get to Mars and my question is
why? And it is not climate change, it just isn’t. They are in a hurry.
and I suspect it’s that they, my own personal suspicion, are suspecting
someone is coming, and they want to be ready for it.


DJ: That’s ala Reagan with Gorbachev at Reykjavík in 1987.


JF: Reagan let the cat out of the bag as he often did and Gorbachev too,
by going along with it and not saying oh no that is just stupid. My
reading of Gorbachev’s reaction is oh he wants to talk about that, okay.


DJ: Yeah, right.


JF: We know about that too.


DJ: We might even know more than you guys do.


JF: We might even know more than you guys do. Yeah exactly. You know his
reaction is not one of surprise and his reaction is not one of you old
doddering fool from California. No, it’s not that at all. It’s okay well
I will talk about that.


DJ: Yeah we are right there with you to fight the aliens. Apparently
Reagan talked a lot about the UFO file and put it in a lot of his
speeches but the late Colin Powell dedicated himself to taking out those
UFO file alien references in Reagan’s speeches and he missed it when
Reagan got to the UN and at a Maryland school so that Reagan got this
out twice and over and over again Powell is there and says oh, I blame
myself for it.


JF: Yeah, I believe it.


DJ: So Reagan was like I’m Americana. Americans can handle this. Let’s
put it out there. And he in his kind of almost, I want to say fantasy,
patriotic mind America could do everything, even fight the outsiders.


JF: Yep. We’re the shining city on the hill. We’re the exceptional
nation, the indispensable group of people. No one can live without us
and all the blessings that we shower in the form of bombs upon you, And
again to me that whole attitude is one of the big consequences of the
war between the states when you get right down to it. But the thing
about Reagan and Colin Powell… I think Colin Powell was more or less
selected to be his handler and manager on that score. In other words I
don’t think that this was just a one-off that General Powell decided he
was gonna do to keep Reagan from embarrassing himself. No he was gonna
make sure that he does not let any more of the cat out of the bag,
because Reagan in his memoirs really lets the cat out of the bag. With
that little statement when he first took office, he was advised that our
space lift capacity was over 300 people.


DJ: Oh right.


JF: He puts it right in his memoirs.


DJ: That’s extraordinary.


JF: Yeah, especially considering that at the time we had four or five
space shuttles and they can each take at best, maybe seven to eight crew
members for a total of 40.


DJ: Yes.


JF: So where’s the other 260 going?


DJ: Yeah the Challenger didn’t have 300 people. I mean come on. Yeah the
disaster that they had with them and it’s funny because the Challenger
seems like the ultimate nail in the coffin for the Kennedy Manned Space
Program.


JF: Right. Yeah. And here’s another little tidbit that most people don’t
remember. Werner von Braun, when he was shown the plans for the space
shuttle—Hoagland has mentioned this many times—when he was shown the
plans for the space shuttle he wept. Because he was so flabbergasted at
how anything so shabby could come out of his beloved NASA. He thought it
was a complete farce.


DJ: Oh my God. Wow. The man on the inside who would know.


JF: The man on the inside who would know. And he actually, if I’m
remembering the story correctly, von Braun pointed out that this would
endanger the lives of the astronauts for beyond what was necessary. So
Reagan knew something from whatever briefings that he was privy to about
the whole topic, and I suspect that that really began with his term as
governor of California, and I know you have similar suspicions with
Reagan and UFOs in California. So it is not surprising to me that…


DJ: They say he first got the idea for SDI in 1974 attending a Teller
lecture.


JF: Oh, I can believe it. Let’s face it there was an idea for Star Wars,
Teller probably came up with it, or DARPA. I mean Reagan dreaming this
up on his own, he’s capable of doing it but he would never have come out
and given a speech like that without the Military Industrial Complex
behind it in some way.


DJ: Absolutely. [50:34] Yeah. Incredible. Joseph it has just been
remarkable in the books of course, as a set, we are going to change how
we look at the Civil War and all that piece I mentioned to you before we
started that i’ve been seeing a lot of podcasts pick up on your work and
I have to say outright plagiarize it which you’re seeing a kind of
epidemic of plagiarizing. I thought it would be good for all those
podcasts pop clickers to hear your opinion on Bob Lazar.


JF: On Bob Lazar?


DJ: Because these people don’t understand the background and they do
this whole thing with Lazar where they’re like, oh, he got all these
secrets out and they buy the whole thing, hook, line, and sinker.


JF: No I have never bought Bob Lazar, and I don’t know what this has to
do with the shows that you are talking about that are plagiarizing me;
I’ve noticed the same thing quite frankly. It’s very discouraging to me.
But with Bob Lazar, and I pointed this out, I forget which book, but
with Bob Lazar my problem with his story has always been his statements
regarding Element 115. Yes which is one of these transuranic heavy
elements that have been in recent years synthesized in various particle
accelerations. The German Particle Institute at Darmstadt has
successfully synthesized Element 115. When Lazar made his claims that
German particle accelerator had not yet synthesized it. And Lazar claims
that he’s been invited over to Darmstadt to cooperate with them on
making it, and he may have been. I’m not saying that he’s not being
truthful there. My problem is with what he has claimed about Element 115
itself because I have a big chemical physics reference book up here on
the top shelf that does nothing but gives you in copious amounts of
detail that you could never possibly use, it gives you all this chemical
atomic subatomic detail about each element in the periodic table. It’s a
thick book, about four inches thick and it’s like a big dictionary. And
if you look up Element 115, Ununpentium [Moscovium], the projected half
life for the element is around 0.08 decimal points seconds long. So it’s
not there for very long before it decays into something else. When you
investigate Lazars story he will tell you, and John Lear will back this
up that he and John Lear managed to collect a little big of Element 115
and take it to their home and store it for a period of time. Well I’m
sorry. You wouldn’t even be able to blink fast enough. The element would
decay faster than you can blink, much less getting it collected into an
amalgamated pile that you can handle which you wouldn’t want to do and
then take home. That part of the story, I’m sorry, I’m not buying it.


DJ: Right. That part is a very sketchy narrative.


JF: That part is a very sketchy narrative.


DJ: As in the brothel thing, and the lying about the education.


JF: All of that stuff, I’m sorry, we really desperately need to develop
a serious mentality in [ufoolology]. This is why I avoid [ufoolology]. I
just can’t stand stuff like that. And what bothers me is it’s a story
that anybody can check by going to that reference. And just think a
teeny tiny little bit. There’s this business that they use Element 115
in their anti-gravity sports model flying saucer and I have listened to
his presentation on that and I can’t figure out what he’s talking about
and why Element 115 is necessary because essentially he’s talking about
these beams that project a column of energy and that creates the
anti-gravity effect. Well, folks that’s a well known phenomenon in
physics. It’s called the Soliton Effect, and it’s using microwaves. Okay!


DJ: Tell it like it it is.


JF: Tell it like it is. Dr. LaViolette that wrote a wonderful book
called “Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion.” And he talks about the
Soliton Effect. Nothing new. Nothing really that fancy. And we all know
what a soliton is. I mean you’ve got solenoids in your car. Similar
thing you know.


DJ: There is something very scripted about that whole release back in
the day. And for many of these things the podcasters and pop clickers,
they keep going back to Lazar, is the thing. They don’t examine the
education lies. They don’t examine the brothel stuff. They don’t examine
the Element 115 stories. They don’t examine what seems to be very
limited access to anything.


JF: Yeah, you know I don’t know who out there is saying that is if they
are referring to me in connection with Bob Lazar or not, but if they
would do the homework they would know I’ve just never been a fan. And
that’s why you don’t hear me talking about him all the time.


DJ: Exactly, Yeah. No I thought that that was kind of a good straight up
litmus test. Have you done a background on Bob Lazar? Let’s start there.


JF: Yeah, start with the story folks. Does the story make sense? And the
answer is no it does not.


DJ: Well we know they are listening so you just delivered the message.


JF: Well I hope they are. Daniel you mentioned these shows that are
talking about me. There is someone out there, I forget the name of the
guy that has had that has had different people on his podcast and he is
apparently asking them about me. Well, you know, dude, they are on your
show. Talk to them about the things that they are on your show for and
if you want to talk to me email me.


DJ: That’s a little awkward isn’t it? So what do you really know about
Joseph Farrell?


JF: Yeah you invite me on and you want me to talk about Phyllis Diller?
It makes no sense.


DJ: Oh Phyllis Diller. That’s a whole episode. We have to do another
episode.


JF: I don’t know why I pulled her in out of the ether but she was just
there. She was a very good classical pianist.


DJ: Well I’ll tell you this. Here is my takeaway from that stuff, which
is these people are under pressure for content and don’t take the time
to research what they are talking about and so they are grabbing for
this and that without going a little bit deep into what they are talking
about. So better to have high quality and less quantity if that’s what
it takes, but what you are getting it quantity. It’s like, hey, there
are underground bunkers. They don’t understand COG. They don’t
understand the deep state. These are deep concepts. From yourself, an
Oxford scholar, Professor Scott, I could name a hundred others, and that
work didn’t come to them rolling out catchy clickbait headlines.


JF: Well I wish they would use the Bosley model, our friend Walter
Bosley. When Walter wants to do a podcast and doesn’t have anything to
talk about what does he do? He reads sections of books on the air. Hey,
great way to kill some time.


DJ: And since we mentioned Bosley, he is in your recent book.


JF: Oh yeah, he is in both of them.


DJ: That is a great crisscross. His “Origins” book plays directly into this.


JF: Absolutely. That is a great book and my favorite book of his and I
like his Exploration, but I love the Origins book because I think he is
probably the only one that has really figured out the significance of
those very strange Dellschau paintings. I’ve got two copies of that
book, of Dellschau paintings and it was Walter that put me onto it. They
are just very bizarre.


DJ: One of them says with an arrow Trump and then 45. That’s very
strange. There is a predictive quality to them.


JF: There is a predictive quality to it and you know Walter and I spent
a long time decoding. There’s actually an equation in most of those
paintings.


DJ: Yes.


JF: There is an equation, and you know, I did a little thing for him
years ago on what I thought it may have been. I came up with three
different possibilities.


DJ: I would like to go over that with you because there’s the DMC = X.


JF: The equation is a Delta if I remember correctly. And then it has
three lines which is an absolute equality in mathematics and then DX or
something like that, but the Delta is very clear. That’s a system state
change. It’s a change, it means a change. So there is something going on
with that. I’d have to find my notes if I can and send them to you.


DJ: So a change in the medium that makes it…


JF: There is some sort of change and it’s absolutely identical to X and
something else. I don’t remember what it is, but I did come up with
three different possibilities for it that I put in a memo to Walter. He
may still have it.


DJ: Oh fascinating. Alright. Yeah, I would love to see that.


JF: Yeah if I can find them.


DJ: Yeah I have been wondering about those.


JF: Oh it was very strange; he was definitely painting something, and
here’s another connection for you. Do you know who collected a lot of
Dellschau paintings?


DJ: Oh, there is a JFK connection.


JF: Yes de Menil.


DJ: Yes it’s John de Menil. Unbelievable. What does that tell you? As a
matter of fact they were some of the first to put them out to the public.


JF: Yep they were. It’s just totally bizarre. Yeah.


DJ: It is high five to George de Mohrenschildt because they were…


JF: Yep.


DJ: It’s interesting because Jim Garrison spent so much time on them.


JF: Oh he did. Yes he did.


DJ: Yeah.


JF: He knew something was up there.

I don’t think he ever figured that whole de Mohrenschildt-de
Menil-Oswald connection out, but I think it was because he was not
expecting number one, the ecclesiastic connections that he saw there,
which is a part of the story that no one wants to touch. There is a
story there. It is that footnote on page 253 and LBJ…


DJ: Of your book?


JF: Uh-huh.


DJ: LBJ and the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. I knew one of those
individuals very very well.


DJ: Incredible. Yeah. You know that aspect shows up in odd little ways.


JF: Oh it sure does.


DJ: I’ll tell you the weirdest of the whole thing which is there’s a
serial killer who is writing letters to an Australian television woman
and he tells her of his adventure of picking up a hitchhiking Lee Harvey
Oswald.


JF: Oh wow.


DJ: And he said that Oswald, after he dropped him off, he got the
impression that he was heading over the border to Mexico with a priest.


JF: Oh, that wouldn’t surprise me. Yeah. I betcha you I could take a
pretty good guess as to who the priest might have been too.


DJ: Wow.


JF: What was going on?


DJ: Joseph absolutely fascinating. I don’t think we’ll ever look at the
Civil War the same way again.


JF: I hope not. No, I’m very serious. You know it was bad enough that
this country fought that war. You know that is still our bloodiest war
to date if you can believe that. I don’t know if you have ever been to a
Civil War Battlefield but when I was nine years old we went to
Washington DC and drove out to the battlefield of First Bull Run, First
Manassas battlefield. and we toured around there and when you see the
battlefield and the cannons lined up facing each other it is a creepy
experience. There are ghosts on those battlefields. When you look at
what they were doing it’s just a very creepy thing, and in the final
analysis all wars are unnecessary, but that one is always, and it’s
interesting that many people have commented that that war even more than
the American Revolution itself has most impacted the modern American
psyche. We think of that war more than we do our own revolution. And
it’s true. We do.


DJ: Oh yes, yes. That’s extraordinary the parallel that’s coming up now,
and it’s almost a demand for Civil War, right? You have to take a side.


JF: Well I think it’s because everybody senses the country is at that
crossroads again. We have in a way that it was not even in 1860 and 1861
because we now have a totally off the wall boners radicalized political
party in one political party and we don’t really know what the other
political party is anymore, and the country is very badly divided. One
branch of government is at war with another branch of government in a
way that we have never seen and we have whole states that i’m all in
favor of my idea of reverse succession. If you want to run things that
way out you go. Go be on your own. Goodbye. You have our blessing and
just go. I have never seen the country so badly divided. And the last
one was very bad and then patching it up was even worse, made things
even worse because they never really got patched up. That’s the problem.


DJ: There is no question, and there is still a mystery lingering there
about Lincoln. I’m glad you tackled this because it is interesting.
Professor Scott told me that if he had one regret it was that he never
tackled the Lincoln Deep State assassination aspect.


JF: Well to his credit, and in fact it is Professor Scott I believe that
was the first one, and I mentioned him in the books. I think it was
Professor Scott that actually came up with the idea that Jefferson
Davis’s flight from Richmond in 1865 was a Continuity of Government
Operation which, if you know the details, it certainly was. Again it was
not the fanatical stubborn southern leader wanting to carry on the
cause. No, no, no. It was a carefully calculated Continuity of
Government Operation. It failed, but there were too many aspects of it
that were carefully calculated, and I go into that in those aspects in
both books.


DJ: Fantastic.


JF: You know the last person in the world who was a fanatic was
Jefferson Davis. I mean that is one thing he was not,.


DJ: What an incredible missing chapter in all of history.


JF: Oh totally, and again deep state involvement with Lincoln’s
assassination. You betcha. Oh huge. There is no doubt about it.


DJ: It is the same thing. It is a compelling reason. It is the same
super structure calling the shots.


JF: Yep.


DJ: And when it comes around a hundred years later it’s almost a weird
eerie echo in the Kennedy era.


JF: Absolutely it is. All of the major things are there and that’s what
is so disturbing about it. And now we are heading back into that
cultural political cycle that we’ve encountered before in the history of
this country. And it bothers me a lot. I think we have been in our own
updated version of the Civil War for a long time and now it is breaking
out into the open again.


DJ: Right, right. Well what is fascinating about that is Civil War with
a Golden Dome, right?


JF: Yep.


DJ: Where does that take you? I mean the technology is involved at a
level it could never have been envisioned.


JF: The technology is involved and then as I said earlier, all the
neurolinguistic program going on with the word Gold. That gold, yes. Why?


DJ: Golden Era.


JF: Yeah the Golden Era, the Golden Age. Yep. It’s a trap. And I’m
trying to warn people don’t buy into it. Just don’t let them do it.


DJ: Absolutely fascinating. Joseph, where do people get these books?


JF: If you are talking about the Civil War books you can get them from
Adventures Unlimited Press. The new one just came out so if you’re
ordering on Amazon it’s gonna take forever to get it. So go directly to
Adventures Unlimited Press, just go online and search for them and
you’ll get it much faster. They do take credit cards, checks, whatever,
but you’ll get the books much faster than through Amazon.


And if someone goes to Giza Death Star does it plug in there yet?


Yeah it is plugged in on the website. If you click on the two book
covers they should take you directly to Adventures Unlimited. That is
where it is all heading. We didn’t even get into the Wizard of Oz but we
will next time.


I have a feeling that the Roswell Reignited piece is gonna crisscross
with so much of your research in Roswell and the Reich as well. It is a
story that’s definitely not going away. For people who want to know more
about my Roswell thing there is my Roswell and the Reich, the McCarthy
Monmouth, and the Deep State books that are also part of the Roswell
story. The last person i expected to find connected to Roswell was
Joseph McCarthy but it is there folks.


DJ: Unbelievable, just absolutely fascinating. Thank you.